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  • ThisUserLikesOreo
    ThisUserLikesOreo closed this thread because:
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    08:21, December 14, 2019

    I already know the answer to this. But I want it on the record i asked you

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    • the category that you added, "Plants that affect other lanes", is unneeded as there are already two categories, "Multi-directional plants" and "Area-of-effect plants", that fill the same purpose

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    • But they have a different purpose. That they document different things. Either way what oreo did was a violation of the policy

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    • Except it isn't.

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    • Bro that's just defamation at this point. I removed a category that isn't need. It was agreed by multiple people. What more do you want?

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    • What multiple people? No discussion took place until *after* you revert it (the discussion right now).  Better to discuss before.

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    • Thread:1257774 + in our staff Discord server. Please don't make such blatant statements before knowing all of the facts.

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    • So you talk about my page without me even getting to say anything, and call that the "discussion". And now you're also saying that I "don't know all the facts" because you intentionally do this. And me calling you out on it is somehow defamation too.

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    • This wiki is a public place and we can discuss the wiki's content whenever and wherever we want. You don't own the pages you make. I didn't call it a discussion, you did. Yes, it is defamation, you're trying to accuse me of something I did not do. It's not like I decided alone on this. I've been on this wiki for 4 years now and that's how the wiki worked all of this time.

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    • ignore my reply as i have no place here

      i'm not in any authority here, i'm only a content mod over at pvzcc

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    • "This wiki is a public place" Discussing stuff in your private discord server is not very public.

      "Yes, it is defamation, you're trying to accuse me of something I did not do. " Everything you do is saved into the page history and you can't deny it unless somebody else got into your account.



      Listen man, I was never trying to harass you. I just wanted to talk about the category, but it gets escalated into defamation/harasssment. All I ask for are two simple things:

      1) Please restore my category. It was deleted due to the existance of area-of-effect and multi-directional plants, even though those are different categories. For example, Squash is considered area of effect and multi-directional, even though it does not affect any other lanes.

      2) Be public about the reasons of reverting edits. I spend about 12 hours completely confused as to why my edits are getting reverted. Because nobody leaves any edit summaries, messages on my talk page, or anything else. Just your private discussion that I can't see at all. And that leaves me essentially unable to edit the wiki.

      If anyone do furthur statements about the category, let me know. But I was never defaming/harassing anyone.

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    • but uh that's sort of the point.

      the administration team here have power, and thus the authority to make decisions. if a category is redundant, why should they have to ask permission to remove it. wikia isn't a democracy or whatever

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    • "if a category is redundant" It was not redundant. That was established about 12 posts ago.

      "why should they have to ask permission to remove it. " It's not about "asking permission". I never said anything about asking permission. All i said is he doesn't say why he does. But then he accuses me of defamation.

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    • it was pretty redundant, plants that effect multiple lanes are already accounted for within those categories

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    • you refer to it as "your" page, "your" category as if this isn't a community where nobody owns pages (which just happens to be what you're arguing for) which is kind of going against your point

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    • "it was pretty redundant, plants that effect multiple lanes are already accounted for within those categories" That's not true. Spikeweed is an area of effect plant even though it won't affect other lanes. Split Pea is a multi-directional plant even though it won't affect other lanes. On the flip-side, Garlic is a plant that affects other lanes even though is it neither an area-of-effect or multi-directional. So although the categories do have some overlap, they still clearly are different.

      "you refer to it as "your" page, "your" category as if this isn't a community where nobody owns pages (which just happens to be what you're arguing for) which is kind of going against your point" Okay, I can see how my wording might have been misleading there. But a page that a specific user created is usually called "their page" in shorthand even if they don't own it.

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    • 1. the plants that do not effect multiple lanes being in those two categories have nothing to do with whether or not the plants the do effect multiple lanes are accounted for within those two categories

      2. Garlic does not effect multiple lanes, only the lane he is in

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    • "1. the plants that do not effect multiple lanes being in those two categories have nothing to do with whether or not the plants the do effect multiple lanes are accounted for within those two categories" What if someone wants to look for only plants that affect other lanes?

      "2. Garlic does not effect multiple lanes, only the lane he is in" He moves the zombies into the other lanes. Which means that he is affecting the lanes above and below him, as well as the one he is in.

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    • 1. what do you mean by "plants that affect other lanes"? plants that attack in other lanes outside of their own? plants whose areas of effect extend outside of their own lane? both of these questions can be answered by going in the "Multi-directional plants" and "Area-of-effect plants" categories respectively

      2. while yes he does move zombies into other lanes, he only effects the zombies within his own lane. he himself does not act upon the other lanes as the name of the category would imply, the zombies moving between the lanes are the ones acting upon multiple lanes, not Garlic himself

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    • "1. what do you mean by "plants that affect other lanes"? plants that attack in other lanes outside of their own? plants whose areas of effect extend outside of their own lane? both of these questions can be answered by going in the "Multi-directional plants" and "Area-of-effect plants" categories respectively" It means a plant that is able to change something / have an affect on any lane besides the one it was planted in. Not just attacking, but any effect at all, including zombies being moved into those lanes.

      which is what makes my category different than the other two. and i think it should be restored since they both of different plants in them, each having things the other doesn't.

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    • "It means a plant that is able to change something / have an affect on any lane besides the one it was planted in. Not just attacking, but any effect at all, including zombies being moved into those lanes."

      that is accounted for in "Area-of-effect plants"

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    • that's like saying that spring bean is a plant that affects other lanes when he bounces a zombie into the water

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    • exactly, Garlic and Spring Bean don't effect the adjacent lanes, they effect the zombies

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    • "that is accounted for in "Area-of-effect plants"" Out of the 22 plants in that category (in pvz1), 9 do not affect other lanes. Which makes it ineffective for looking at plants that affect other lanes.

      "exactly, Garlic and Spring Bean don't effect the adjacent lanes, they effect the zombies" No idea what the spring bean is, but Garlic affects other lanes by putting zombies into them.

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    • then don't count those when you're looking for plants that affect multiple lanes

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    • Expecting people to sift through pages themselves completely ruins the entire point of categories.

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    • Naleksuh wrote:
      Expecting people to sift through pages themselves completely ruins the entire point of categories.

      How do they? If they really want to find Plants of a certain topic, they'll just look for the actual category first.

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    • But the category was deleted and they can't. And as we've already established area of action plants is not the same thing, both containing plants the other doesn't.

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    • also this is why we have QST

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    • but doesn't all that do is sort by game? for used this is categories.

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    • Naleksuh wrote:
      but doesn't all that do is sort by game? for used this is categories.

      What are you trying to say? Do you want a QST for the categories?

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    • No. I wanted a category. And i still don't see why there shouldn't be one. Because another category is slightly similar to it?

      I'd also like an explanation for this revert.

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    • Update: Someone on Discord called Vampy (don't know their Wikia name) is getting my edit on Garlic re-added. So that is dealt with. But I still feel that the category discussion is not over due to the the mention of QST.

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    • why tho

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    • Why what?

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    • there's no reason to have a category which is mostly fulfilled by another. otherwise we'd have like a bajillion niche categories with no reason to exist.

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    • almost half the pages are completely different. nowhere near "mostly fulfilled"

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    • can you stop flooding this guy's notifs

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    • the point you made about split pea is sorta off. it attacks two different directions, but on one lane.

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