Board Thread:Internal management/@comment-29326052-20161005203715/@comment-25368137-20161010232118

Wow seems a bit abandoned.

Well, 2 cents.

Mainspace edits aren't the same as work, sure, they take work, you need to do something as small as changing a letter, or as big as adding a sound to the page, and are indeed some kind of "proof" that you have done something on the "true" part of the wikia, the encyclopedia part.

However, just because X moderator is easier to get than B moderator, because B moderator needs Mainspace edits and X moderator doesn't, isn't being unfair. Let's be real, a rollback is most of the time a guy that is always checking mainspace ready to press that one button to undo a vandalizm edit. In some cases, they even work a bit on forums editing messages. A Content Moderator, has an even larger role on Mainspace, and let's not forget, with that power, the power of Chat Moderator comes as well, independent of you using it or not.

If you go by my explanation here, you can clearly see the fact there's 2 branches of staff rights here MS and Community.

MS is Rollback -> Content Moderator

And Community is Chat Moderator -> Discussion Moderator.

All of the 2 branches morph in the end to make the "Rank 2" Staff positions, which are around admnistrating the wikia as a whole. Follows like this : Admin -> Bcrat.

Hence, by looking at the powers, and what they're linked to, it's not hard to spot a fact, Community cares more about behaviour, trust and activity on forums/chat, and MS cares more about quantity AND quality, MS activity and significantly more to grammar as a whole (You don't want the peashooter strategy section to say "plent cool plant and win the gom"). So by that, it's completely fair to understand MS will always be harder to follow because it takes work, and it's not something easy to do, specially for users whose first language isn't english, as that on most cases will make a small bit of problem here and there. MS is and always will be like that, you can't easily get MS reliably, you can do that ocasionally when you see vandals, or a new update comes in and you're one of the first ones testing it, but other than that, all you really have is strategies and grammar fixes.

The Community branch shouldn't require MS for the same reason, it's around the Community, it's much more about how a guy behaves, and how trustable he is for such Position, compared to a rollback, which can be pretty much anyone who's addicted in some way to the mainspace part of the wikia, or such.

And also, i would like to point out about the ADMIN/BCRAT requeriments.

It seems to be just a huge inflation of MS edit count, some people would SUPPORT just because a guy has 10k MS edits, even if he isn't ever active on Chat or Forum, even if he doesn't know anything about CSS. That causes manipulation, you can get a million mainspace edits, be 4 years on the wikia and then ask for Admin, 100% guaranteed, you got all the edits, what else could you want or need to be Admin? Oh yeah, care for the other parts of the wikia at least a bit.

It's a bit sad, but it really is like that. Imagine a guy has little over 1k ms edits and is going for Admin (Let's say, about 1010 ms edits)

That guy will, on most cases, be opposed purely because he didn't get something HIGHER than the *REQUIRED* ammount. Is numbers all that matters? Of course not. What if that guy is very trusty, knows CSS very well, helps on Chat and Forum, and overall could be a huge addition to the wikia? Nope, didn't have MS edits = Power Hungry 100%.

And well, that's all i can really say about that. I know the topic is about forum requeriments, but hey, let me add that too, 4 cents.

In order to make a vote, you need 25 MS edits. Great, another way to make people need to work on the MS part of the wikia, even if they just want to Oppose the guy they know is bad, but nobody would listen, or if they wanted to Support the deserving Admin, that is being opposed because didn't get more than 1k ms edits.

For Mainspace votes (Example, all these pvzh votes that pop up from week to week) you SHOULD need the 25 MS edits, is only fair, it's a MS decision.

For User Right votes, "Should i repromote/demote myself",  you should need Forum edits, a higher time on the wikia, and well, that's it. If you're ok on with no bans, warnings, flush edits, blocks or anything suspicious, you're allowed to vote, no hard feelings.

There, that's all i wanted to say.