Board Thread:Internal management/@comment-5939269-20160504224254/@comment-5939269-20160507150835

Pinkgirl234 wrote:

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DatDramaPlant wrote:

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DatDramaPlant wrote: I thought this was a discussion thread?

The stress is NOT on the mainspace. If you want something mainspace-oriented, go for content mod. Why should we have administrators if they don't become fully excellent mainspace first? To be excellent in mainspace is one of the highest expectations of the community for an administrator. Well, maybe it's time we change that kind of outdated thinking. Hello, so apparently an admin has to be extremely mainspace active. Sorry to burst your bubble, but please, not everyone is a mainspace person. Sorry to burst your bubble too but it's a fact. That's like saying a user should be admin because he/she are active in the forums but not in mainspace. It would be a huge risk to have administrators who don't do their job well. Define "doing their job well". I'm pretty sure you know there are multiple definitions of administrators ding their job well, but since you wanna know, I'll define it for you: And.... which part of that contains "has to be extra-active on mainspace"? You asked me to give definitions of admins doing they're job well. As for what you are asking, well I forgot to list that too but I all I can say about that is that you have to manage to work around at the mainspace area. How can it be so unclear to you that an admin's job isn't about MAKING mainspace edits? The mainspace edit count has nothing to do with the job, and is merely a number we currently use to promote, when all it really reflects is how often someone has clicked "publish".
 * Knows how to distinguish constructive or good edits from destructive edits.
 * Blocks users for a fair amount of time
 * Starts to be active for real after promotion

Mainspace edits do not reflect:

- Quality of contributions to wiki

- Hours spent in chat

- Time spent on forums

- Level of maturity

You want to know what mainspace is? Aside from grammatical edits, minor additions, and the rare major addition, most of what happens on mainspace is just a rush to add new content first once it is released.

Mainspace edits will not reflect your ability to:

- Deal with rulebreakers

- Update locked pages when required

- Mediate and keep a level of order within the wiki.

This number is so heavily praised in the wiki for being an indication of usefulness to a staff position. What it really shows is that you are good at writing, and enjoy spending time writing articles. Does that mean I believe that it's a bad idea to ever edit the mainspaces? No. It is a wiki after all. What I do believe however is that this "ultimate sign of dedication, trustworthiness, and greatness" is nothing more than a number, a number of which we could be replacing with so many other things. I am not saying the mainspace area is the only thing an administrator should only do. I am aware that an administrator, thanks to the presence of additional tools, can also help to monitor and moderate the flow of the wiki activity. However, if a user became promoted to an administrator and then never seemed to make more mainspace edits afterwards, that could possibly mean one thing: the user simply wanted to have the sysops rights just for the sake of grabbing them.

Also, the real definition of mainspace is the informational content on a wikiwiki AKA these are the regular wiki articles we see. That's what.

The purpose of a wiki, and the purpose of an administrator on said wiki is completely different. What I feel the wiki isn't seeing here is that being a user who makes edits and being an administrator who does the job of an administrator are two separate things. A user could be both the user who makes edits AND an administrator who does the job of an administrator, even when both jobs aren't together. The rights of an admin extend so far beyond mainspace that the high number we place on the job as of right now is absurd. We stress so much on mainspace that you can look at the requirements and realize that it doesn't require much else.

We have voting threads where people can oppose and support for a number of reasons. These reasons in the voting thread are thousands of times more important to who we decide to promote, yet the huge stress on mainspace is the only thing we really "require". Mindless supporters? Why don't we kill two birds with one stone and add some of the reasons people get supported or opposed and add that to the requirements?

Besides, the number of times a person clicks publish shows no reflection on the quality of edits they have made. 1000 edits where you simply fixed one misspelled word? Meets requirements. 100 edits where you cleaned up entire pages, fixed setence structures, and added quality information? Does not meet requirements. You'll see these kinds of things in voting threads. Again, the things we see in voting threads are that much more important, and yet we haven't even bothered to make a good guideline as to what a good "support" or "oppose" reason is.

Add those to the requirements. Makes 1000 times more sense to me.