Board Thread:Internal management/@comment-24843074-20161201125504/@comment-29611741-20161204021955

Camwood777 wrote:

YammaYamer21 wrote:

Camwood777 wrote:

YammaYamer21 wrote:

Camwood777 wrote:

Mental Skillness wrote:

Camwood777 wrote:

Mental Skillness wrote: Jack does own the place, but you guys don't own jack, right? Well, if we voted to remove it, and it succeeded, he'd have to remove it. Otherwise it'd be abuse of power and he'd get into giant trouble. You do realize that, right?

Listen, I know you feel the ungodly reason to come up with whatever excuses you can in order to go against what everyone is saying, but COME ON. excuses...(Excuse me, but this isn't a voting thread)

You can't remove Discord because we don't own it. Jack owns it, but no one owns jack. Discord is unofficial, and NOT owned by our community, or this wiki. Discord is handled by Jack.

So are you saying that we own jack because he's an admin here and there? Only Jack owns it, and that's his place, not yours, not mine, HIS. So, you're basically implying Jack can get away with breaking wiki rules, just because he's him?

I want you to think about exactly what it is you're saying here. Cut it with the "I want to go against what everyone is saying", and genuinely put some thought into what it is you've just said. Take a good long break, step away from your keyboard, and analyze your reasoning deeply.

Because, I don't think I alone could even begin to emphasize how utterly absurd and cripplingly insane you sound right now, at the best. What MS is saying is that Discord is NOT the wikia's chat! Therefore, Jack(the owner) can technically discontinue the Discord chat without any use of powers he doesn't have in the view of the wikia, in spite of anything the wikia says. Maybe not for the people that use the chat, but the PvZ wikia as an entity is unaffected directly. If the Discord is made an official chat of the wikia, then maybe we could make Jack destroy it...

Wait; if I remember correctly, you opposed letting Discord be the main chat because it was 'unofficial'. So now it's official? Just like that? Without us nor you approving? You play the card that someone else is arguing for the sake of it, expect me to be around the corner. Not everyone is truely that way, you know.

And one last note: There are a notable amount of people on both sides of our argument, so he really isn't going against everyone. And keep in mind he's implying Jack would be able to not remove it even if a vote to remove it succeeded. As if he could just blatantly refuse to follow the rules. Because we "don't own him?" Um, yes, he could. Jack has full rights over Discord until it is made an official part of the wikia. Once that is the case, then that claim would be false; however, as till this point, Discord has not been officially integrated with the wikia. Plus, there are a handful of non-wikians on the Discord chat, thus it can be argues that even if it is integrated, the wikia cannot force its closure.

The wiki itself would have a vote, and it would say to close Discord. It would succeed. By the wiki rules, Jack would have to close it, no questions asked. If he refused, it would be against the rules and he would be demoted for breaking rules, and that'd be the best case scenario for him.

No, if a vote succeeds, he can't just decide to not do what the vote says. He has to do it. Otherwise, that's an abuse of power. A) It might not necessarily succeed, despite all odds. That is a biased assumption, even if rooted in facts.

B) What I'm saying is that until the Discord is tied directly to the wikia via an officiallizing vote, we cannot have such a vote with legitimacy. Right now, it is tied only by the admins and the server owner(assuming he/she is a member of the PvZ wikia's staff). Those are online people that technically don't cause anything to be anchored to their wikia just by their authority there. Unless they are all part of the wikia(which they are not, from what I can tell) and they explictly say so, the Discord(or anything they have some power inside of, really) is not part of or even necessarily associated with the PvZ wikia.