Board Thread:Internal management/@comment-2189621-20170114222110/@comment-27385163-20170117072218

Camwood777 wrote:

Mental Skillness wrote:

Camwood777 wrote: Let's look at what we lose:


 * All old messages unless otherwise properly archived.
 * The wasted effort to delete all wordbubbles.
 * All 100+ of them that exist.
 * With 3 content mods.
 * The wasted effort to make the wordbubbles on account of people that use them.
 * And the images used in them.
 * And the CSS used in them.
 * A system most users here are used to.
 * In replacement for a system that will inevitably create backlash, and take a long time for users to get used to.
 * Remember Google+ integration with YouTube? Remember how it was pointless and everybody hated it? You wanna bring updates like that to the wiki?

And let's see what we gain:
 * The empty delusion that multiple people can participate in a wall discussion, when you could technically do the same on regular talk pages.

I rest my case.

If it's not broken, don't fix it. 1. and...? i mean we can archive it somewhere else and not do it at all, honestly

2. and...? less templates, less hassle of makign a word bubble.

3. i'm pretty sure switching to an new interface won't cause as much backlash as say switching to discord, unless you're just a really scardey-cat when someone whines on the internet. hey everyone, it's not news to hear someone whine on the internet, liek you are doing now.

(other 3.) dont bring up what happened to youtube, because thats off-topic, irrelevant, garbage filler for your garbage argument, blah blah blah

(onw hat we gained)

1. it wasnt really about the fact you can communicate with other users or have multiple users in one message. message walls' format is so much cleaner and makes communication much easier

"if it's not broken, don't fix it"

the wired phones on the walls weren't broken, why does no one use them?

because someone invented wireless phones

hey look message walls exist...

i feel like i'm just done with you cam. i tried talkign to you on discord today, brought up pvz2 primal sunflowers and potatoes. Your analogy for wired wall phones and wireless phones makes no sense. Because, with wireless phones, you lost nothing and gained the ability to take your phone anywhere. At the cost of nothing, you actually gained something.

With this unnecessary switch to Message Walls, you lose a lot of past spent effort, and waste a lot of time, for the gain of something you can ultimately do already with the current system.

You can still Ctrl + F to find if someone posted on your wall with the current system, that's not exclusive to message walls. While also clunky, you could theoretically hold a discussion with several people on one person's wall, too, so that's also not exclusive to the message walls.

All you get is a layout you have to get re-used to, and a bunch of wasted effort to delete a ton of now-unused or obsolete things such as wordbubbles. At the cost of several things, you gain nothing of actual value.

Keep in mind Moon Snail's original statement for why we should switch to Message Walls in the original post was simply because other wikis use it. There was zero other reason given other than to use a similar format to other wikis. Which is a really flimsy reason given that what other wikis do really shouldn't influence us in any way, shape, or form. We really shouldn't just remove a bunch of things just to hop on a bandwagon of using Message Walls because other wikis do so.

I see zero reason how losing nothing and gaining something is a decent analogy to give me a reason to lose a lot of things and gain pretty much nothing for it. With wall phones into wireless phones, you lost nothing (well, except the cord, but that's obvious) but gained so much for it. With talk pages to message walls, you lose so much previous effort and current effort into something you can already do with talk pages. all that we really lose, cammy

1. pointless word bubbles you have to MANUALLY CRAFT

2.  Too damn scared of a few people being upset

honestly everyone here is essentially a discord hater