Board Thread:Wiki management/@comment-5204503-20160428123444/@comment-5939269-20160501055304

Pinkgirl234 wrote:

Protanly wrote:

Pinkgirl234 wrote:

Protanly wrote:

Pinkgirl234 wrote: @Protanly If a chat moderator is breaking the rules, we can always decide if that mod should be demoted or not. Addressing point 1:What good is a user deserving of chat mod that spends countless hours in chat, yet leaving us having to wait for days or months on end because they aren't spending time outside of chat? That is literally the most counterproductive thing on the planet. Moderating chat has literally nothing else to do with mainspace. Hey Billy. You are a good enough athlete to deserve a spot on our NHL hockey team! You want in? Oh wait. You didn't spend 1000 hours reading about the history of hockey? Well shame on you Billy. No spot for you.

Addressing point 2:

Telling me that we can demote a chat moderator breaking rules still doesn't address my point. Sure we can always demote a chat mod that goes ahead and breaks rules. But the time between an administrator getting on that, and the time they can wreak havoc in chat can be enough to justify my point. Even if it only took half an hour, having a chat mod that broke rules such as to not bully users, that is half an hour that we literally cannot do anything.

The simple fact of the matter is that when everyone is chat mod, no one is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ I made 270+ mainspace edits before becoming a chat moderator and 500+ more mainspace edits before I transformed into a discussion moderator. Do you want to know what happens if the mainspace requirement is stripped off? Then all the good hard work I did in mainspace will be a complete huge waste! Heck I happened to create a few good articles and then what? They'll render as nothing and useless if the mainspace requirement was removed or reduced? I won't be the only one affected here. Surely all the other chat moderators, both former and current will be affected! All of the good edits they did in mainspace will turn into as if what they did was nothing. All of their efforts will just go the drain. And by efforts, I meant the edits that keeps the articles organized and not any of the constant frivolous or badge-farming edits they made. So all in all, it would be a huge risk to rid the mainspace requirement and it wouldn't be fair for all the former and current chat moderators who had to make mainspace edits in order to attain the position they desired. If the chat moderators managed to make 250 mainspace edits and above, then others can do it as well, if they learn to manage doing it with ease. Another thing is some people prefer doing the "easy" way because they think too much work is too much trouble. 250 mainspace edits are really so easy to attain. You just gotta learn how to handle editing in mainspace. Besides, I dealt with making more than 250 mainspace edits and I feel just fine, especially since I happen to enjoy editing in mainspace.

As for your second point, there's always what we call reporting, chat logging for evidence and an admin stamping a warning on the abusive chat moderator's talk page once the mod was caught red-handed. Removing the mainspace requirement or not shouldn't be decided on your own personal sense of accomplishment. I'll be blunt here. What you do for the mainspace articles should be out of love of helping out mainspace articles. I honestly do not care if you think that your mainspace edits define people as chat mods. If you honestly feel like the hard work on mainspaces becomes useless if we strip the requirements, then I feel like you should really reconsider why you are in a staff position. THIS KIND OF MENTALITY IS EXACTLY WHY WE SHOULD REMOVE THE MAINSPACE REQUIREMENTS.

As a staff member, you aren't here to farm for the highest rank. This isn't some game where you make edits on the mainspace in hopes of being promoted for more prestige. A staff position is a job where you put your heart and soul into keeping the community safe and clean, and if you think that means nothing with your precious little mainspace edits being the only thing that matters, then you should honestly think about why you do what you do.

This isn't about making it "easy" for people to become chat mod. I've explictly stated that I felt it shouldn't be the case. I've made the exact opposite point saying that I feel we have too many staff members. But despite all this, I still feel like mainspace requirements are a lousy way to determine who is ready for a specific job (Unless the job is maintaining the mainspaces), and just because it's what has always been done, doesn't mean that it's the right way to keep moving forward. As a staff member, I do my put my heart to help the community in order and I don't fall under the "users who don't do their duties properly after getting promoted". I could care less about being part of the Top 20 leaderboard. I did not turn into a staff member so I could simply slack off and show off. And besides Protanly, you once had to deal with getting 250 mainspace edits before.

Oh, since there are a lot of users who desire to become admins and bureaucrats, why don't we alter the requirements for those too? We should be changing requirements for those staff positions while we are at this topic. Me having to go through the current requirements means nothing. I do not care if I had to do something. If it is an archaic system that needs fixing, I see no reason to continue using it.

Your mainspace edits means nothing to chat. A chat moderator can spend countless hours in chat without ever needing to make a single mainspace edit and still do their job perfectly, hence why the mainspace requirement is asinine and should be abolished.

You are too blinded by your own opinion to see what I am trying to say. I have said countless times that we aren't going to be haphazardly promoting people to chat mod. All I've said is that the current system is lousy and needs reviewing. Open your eyes and actually see how broken the system is.