Board Thread:Plants vs. Zombies 2/@comment-25546049-20160116212443/@comment-24275721-20160121150652

Coolyoyo33 wrote: TheGollddMAN wrote: Coolyoyo33 wrote: TheGollddMAN wrote: Coolyoyo33 wrote: TheGollddMAN wrote: Мит бой wrote: TheGollddMAN wrote: Мит бой wrote: Ballistic Planet wrote: Imo this is the reason why Phat Beet fails. What? Since when Phat Beet fails? Since its introduction in Neon Mixtape Tour- Day 2. Phat Beet is good. Only if you've never experienced the power that is Gloom Shroom. It takes a week long crap on Phat beet's phat butt. Actually, they just work completely differently. Understand that ffs.

One is meant to be spammable and weak and the other, strong. (recharge is slow so not spammable too, also without pumpkin it's just meh) At its core, they work the same: attack in a 3 x 3 area with all zombies being affected in that area. Even though the exceution is obviously different, it can be comprehended in a couple of ways


 * Gloom Shroom won't require Fume Shroom anymore


 * Gloom Shroom can be a bit buffed by giving it a faster seed packet recharge or increasing the damage


 * Increase sun cost a bit

And there you go, a very better Gloom Shroom that can be further complemented via Garlic and /or Sweet Potato and/ or Primal Wall nut. There are a lot of choices that could have been given to us via Gloom Shroom instead of another wannabe crapper. Even though Phat beet can be spammed, that spamming rate isn't quite high as it still costs 150 sun. I have used both plants and Phat beet just has a short shoot to give a seed for. You expect popcap to give us that for free??? well we can dream. They gave us what a 'free' plant version of gloomshroom would be in this game, also imagine if those buffs weren't givena nd gloom shroom was the same as the first game (except the fume shroom one) people would be shitting on about how useless and nerfed they made him (even though he's the same but the game difficulty has just changed) just like garlic. I never said I want it for free. They can make it a 19.99$ Premium for all I care. But if someday Gloom Shroom does come in PvZ2, it will easily replace Phatbeet even with its higher sun cost. Right now, I see no redeeming factor in Phatbeet to use it outside of forced levels. It's just one of those "use once to see what it does and then discard it forever" type plants for how weak it is.

Also for Garlic, it's indeed nerfed. It's not because of changed difficulty that Garlic feels nerfed. Garlic was indeed nerfed by reducing the HP and making zombies take multiple bites out of it. So, yes, you are wrong on this one. on the other hand the sun cost wasn't changed so it was just half the sun cost as the first game as you needed 2 sun before but only 1 now, so that justifies the nerf An increase in sun cost would have been a better nerf than health nerf. Whther or not it justifies the nerf, it severly cripples the plant and makes a returning plant totally worthless. Just because it takes only one sun doesn't mean it had to go through two nerfs at the same time in exchange for one buff (and an indirect biff at that). Personally, this isn't a justified nerf at all as the plant isn't that useful except in certain situations unlike the first game.