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PuffyMuffins wrote: DatDramaPlant wrote: PuffyMuffins wrote: DatDramaPlant wrote: Also, I read the rules.

The Plants vs. Zombies Wiki Rules states that:

The first time you are caught bullying someone, you will receive a warning. After that, if you continue, a one-week block, then two-weeks, a month, a year, and finally a permanent ban from the wiki. That's 5. So? That's for Bullying which is one thing Carp has done. If you want to be so sure hop on chat and ask the users why don't cha'? Chat's not my base.

You realize this could be used about months ago when he was STILL at large? Why now? Because, he's a problem NOW Why do you have to argue with me? I'm starting to notice that you support various vandals. If he's a problem now, then I'll stop.

I could have used this info quite a while ago. Plus, I don't think it's me. I think it's you guys that never forgive. I have a growth mindset, for better or worse. That sort of mindset lead you to support unbanning maxstories before, and it did not end too well. There's a reason some deserved a perma ban: they refused to change their actions toward the wiki and are considered irredeemable. You mean for him. It would have happened anyway, but I still wanted to show support.

Your statement here is quite true. There is one keyword that cannot prove that this always works: "considered". Considerations are not always right. My point still stands. We could have made a mistake. Sometimes we must admit it. We should not rid the wiki of users, we need to pressure the bad to turn over a new leaf. Good editors are a good thing. Also, vandals can be a crisis. The word "crisis" if broken up into chinese words and then understood (危机), you will know that it is time to recruit more people. A crisis is an opportunity. Use it well, for if you don't there will be dangerous consequences. You need to remember that such accusations are made by active users of the wiki through democratic voting. If such decision was baseless, the community would have been able to veto it - and surely repeated violation of the wiki rules is concrete proof to base the decision on. It doesn't sound baseless, but it is and always will be. Repeated violation can never be concrete proof due to human nature of listening to others and finding out what is better in the long run. Any offense other than vandalism should never warrant a permblock, simply because sometimes after they do enough harm to the wiki (which incidentally with the no. of RBs we have now, can be reverted easily), they will realize it doesn't pay off. You are accusing them, because of the mindset of this wiki. I joined to try and change it. Now I see it'll never work out. Thanks very much for destroying my hopes for the wiki. I'm SO happy. If you are telling me that listening to others is human nature, then that only makes repeated violation even more of a convincing reason to block carp - this might mean that he is capable of listening to others, and he is blatantly ignoring them in favor of continuing to break the rules. And everyone knows that if someone could do a bad thing a few times without any remose in doing so, he will attempt to do it again one day on a bigger scale. This is also why we set up a limit on bans in the first place: to prevent that day from happening.

Another thing: I suppose that carp has served his ban for being underaged. I am still confused as to why User:Bearjedi decided to unban carp without providing any reason to do so, after a long-winded attempt by the community to ban him. If there is indeed no reason, I will have to conclude that Bearjedi's decision was unconstitutional, and carp still deserved the perma-ban. What kind of person does things like that? We don't want to throw away users who have potential. He has potential, and you're not fixing something, you're breaking something that's completely all right. Some people just take longer to listen to others. Some people take longer to feel remorse. And SOME PEOPLE refuse to give them a chance. Fairness is getting what you need. Sometimes these people just need more time, and trust.

No one ever deserves the permaban, except for unfortunately underaged and sock. People will show remorse if they want to. No one ever invented a mind-reading machine yet, so if you did and used it on him, and found out that he indeed would not show remorse, you have every right to do so. However, you don't. So there. Yes, he has real potential in breaking rules, offending people and making the wiki hate him, we should totally keep him for the good of the wiki. If you are telling me that he is taking a really long time to listen, then you also have to remember that the community also has a limit: People are not going to endure his behavior forever, and when he passed it, he has lost the faith of the community for good. Remose at that point no longer has meaning anymore. If I'm going to make this wiki have a growth mindset, I've got my work cut out for me... Also, I am different from you. You would do that. I try to make friends with everyone, and I mean everyone. I can have endless patience with vandals. He would have lost most of the community's faith, but not all of it. He has mine... and a couple more. Remorse always has meaning. And that's it. I've had enough of arguing for today.