Board Thread:Plants vs. Zombies/@comment-33701453-20190305095505/@comment-24275721-20190317073424

Ballistic Planet wrote: Tile Denial wrote: They should come up with their OWN plants an dont take anything from international. (I don't even play Chinese Version) Why though? What's wrong with taking from the international version? Aren't both games Plants vs. Zombies 2? From my POV, it could have been if our version added their stuff as well like worlds, all their plants etc. But no, most plants from Chinese versions got ported to Heroes (now, many people hate the Chinese designs and judge the game as having no quality but think of how those "content with no quality" was taken in that game no problem. So what does that tell us about that game? It's on par with Chinese quality.

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Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. There are only about 5 levels with that distinction Funny thing is, there are no levels with that distinction regarding Blowjob Launcher, at least Sun Bean can brag about having 5 levels.

More and more, it is becoming apparent this BWB plant is shit. In fact, now that I think about it, almost all of the plants obtained for free in BWB are shit if you use vanilla plants. Other worlds still have plants that work well as vanilla to an extent, but this world seems to especially focus on giving players some trashy plants. Hard agree except for Guacodile. Little guy is still pretty decent in the right scenario, but it's been known for a while that BWB plants have been noticeably worse than other world's plants.

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Tile Denial wrote: Ballistic Planet wrote:

Tile Denial wrote:

Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. Where and what the hell is Guacodile even useful for? Sure it's better than Blowing Bulb but it's a crappy plant as well. spammable small jalapeno that can take out decent small threats (imp from garg, jester, wizard, excavator, etc) quickly. meatshield block for fisherman.

mastery makes everything broken anyway, so who cares about its use amirite Why use meatshields when you can use bombs to blow everything up? andddd this is why I don't like leveling.

with everything being broken to hell, nothing matters. that's why you think everything can be answered with blowing things up - not the way a tower defense should be (where you mix things up to adapt to the current situation and not answering everything with one single solution)

there might be some fun gained from this but it fits a generic clicker game more than a tower defense game, and I never really enjoy clicker game. Yeah, you forgot we can blow things up vanilla style as well. No need to level up anything. See this is your problem, you have a one track mind (when I never brought up leveling once).

Tell that to the people who wanted to simplify the game even more to the point where there's no challenge. When there was a solid challenge, people bitched and the system was simplified and now it has been watered down even further. blowing things up has a downside of long cooldown - you have to rely on other plants to do the work while things recharge, and back when dynamic was still here there are enough zombies to prevent people from going only kabloomy and winning. that's what meatshields are for - buying time.

but now? dynamic's not there - so there aren't as many threats. moreover leveling does answer the cooldown problem. and the third factor is that - there are more bombing plants. then those bombing plants boost other bombing plants (ahem Bombard-mint). that's why saying things like answering everything with bombing becomes mindless to me - no downside whatsoever, and now strong enough to stand on its own. it may be your style to play, but it'll never be mine. I am not saying this should be your pay style, I am saying that you shouldn't bash the leveling system when people complaining was the reason they removed the actual chelleneging and dynamic difficulty system; those stars.

But still, if you really want to play with strategy, you'll know even without using meatshields and keeping in mind their seed packet cooldown, you can still blow everything up everytime to ease your situation. Not to mention, you still have your offensive plants doing your work in the meantime. well, fair. I concede. it's just that normally saying "blowing things up" to everything just never feels right for me. This is what I believe; if you try so hard to stay with something (stars in this case for me) and it still gets taken away from you and there's no way to get that back, you might as well give up and adapt to their crap. Being a purist in current PvZ 2 is impossible (which fits since you allowed leveling your mod even though you could have removed that altogether and yes I know it's optional and stuff but hopefully you get my point).

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Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. There are only about 5 levels with that distinction Funny thing is, there are no levels with that distinction regarding Blowjob Launcher, at least Sun Bean can brag about having 5 levels.

More and more, it is becoming apparent this BWB plant is shit. In fact, now that I think about it, almost all of the plants obtained for free in BWB are shit if you use vanilla plants. Other worlds still have plants that work well as vanilla to an extent, but this world seems to especially focus on giving players some trashy plants. Hard agree except for Guacodile. Little guy is still pretty decent in the right scenario, but it's been known for a while that BWB plants have been noticeably worse than other world's plants.

Lily8763cp wrote:

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Tile Denial wrote: Ballistic Planet wrote:

Tile Denial wrote:

Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. Where and what the hell is Guacodile even useful for? Sure it's better than Blowing Bulb but it's a crappy plant as well. spammable small jalapeno that can take out decent small threats (imp from garg, jester, wizard, excavator, etc) quickly. meatshield block for fisherman.

mastery makes everything broken anyway, so who cares about its use amirite Won't really work if there's several fisherman in each lane you can deal with the one early game, and even after that it's still free damage on the fisherman - good damage I'd say. the power of spammability is not to be overlooked. Yeah, but you have a problem when someone else spams bombs which is also good damage with added range. I don't get it, you bash someone for something, but then follow that up by agreeing to that very same thing but just in a different wording in a very hypocritical manner.

I have seen you do that with your mod and back here again. It's less about my call and more about your thoughts having two different tangents on the same thing. So in your view, spamming one plant is okay because it's "fun" (somehow) but not when you spam bombs. Again, if you want make a statement about something, you normally stick to that thing instead of bouncing everywhere. I understand your mentality that you hate bombing everything but my point stands in a way as the inconsistency in your statement is obvious, just my two cents. What even are you on? Just because you use a different name doesn't make it inherently different. Plants are being upgraded and that's that. My point was ON THAT NOTION that you bounce around with hypocrisy just as you don't like "leveling" but allowed "tiers", just like how you don't like to spam bombs but you like to spam meatshields because they are apparently "fun" and they deal "less damage". It was a comparison. Yes, you come up with reasons to argue with but they are laughable reasons.

Your logic is weird honestly. So just because it doesn't deal much damage means it is okay to spam it even though you are wasting a seed slot and valuable sun. So in that case, why not spam any other weak damage dealing plant other than Guacodile? There, you have even more fun then. And to answer your statement regarding counters, how many times have you selected a counter in a seed chooser in an Endless Zone only get buttfucked by the sheer number of the zombies there are? I'd like to see you have "fun" spamming these supposedly "meatshields" when they dont do anything in the long run other than waste resources. "plants are being upgraded".... yeah you skipped the "trade" part. "trade" is not a direct upgrade.

(you don't like to spam bombs but you like to spam meatshields because they are apparently "fun" and they deal "less damage) yes. so? that's a good enough reason. it deals less damage being the exact reason, because I can't abuse it. I can't bring it as an exact answer to everything, whereas if you can spam bombs which kill everything very quickly, you'll bring it to every single level.

"why not spam any other weak damage dealing plant other than Guacodile?" I do. but we're talking about guaco for now.

"And to answer your statement regarding counters, how many times have you selected a counter in a seed chooser in an Endless Zone only get buttfucked by the sheer number of the zombies there are? I'd like to see you have "fun" spamming these supposedly "meatshields" when they dont do anything in the long run other than waste resources" so we should just judge every plant base on the Endless Zones only? there are normal levels and modded levels as well, and I judge plants based on that too.

I give up. make it of what you will. No, we should judge a plant based off everywhere and theer are plants that outclass others. But as far as your Guacodile goes, it is only useful in some normal levels in some worlds. Endless Zones truly test what a plant can do and how it helps a player strategise. There Guacodile falls flat. It's essentially like a plant that is just there. Bottomline, every single plant from BWB suucks. I won't go into modded levels because that is a moot point. Only official levels should be discussed here. I've had some success with Guaco in Icebound of all places, but admittedly it was pretty niche. Again, I can agree to disagree here. Fair enough.

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Tile Denial wrote:

Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. There are only about 5 levels with that distinction Funny thing is, there are no levels with that distinction regarding Blowjob Launcher, at least Sun Bean can brag about having 5 levels.

More and more, it is becoming apparent this BWB plant is shit. In fact, now that I think about it, almost all of the plants obtained for free in BWB are shit if you use vanilla plants. Other worlds still have plants that work well as vanilla to an extent, but this world seems to especially focus on giving players some trashy plants. Hard agree except for Guacodile. Little guy is still pretty decent in the right scenario, but it's been known for a while that BWB plants have been noticeably worse than other world's plants.

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Tile Denial wrote: Ballistic Planet wrote:

Tile Denial wrote:

Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. Where and what the hell is Guacodile even useful for? Sure it's better than Blowing Bulb but it's a crappy plant as well. spammable small jalapeno that can take out decent small threats (imp from garg, jester, wizard, excavator, etc) quickly. meatshield block for fisherman.

mastery makes everything broken anyway, so who cares about its use amirite Why use meatshields when you can use bombs to blow everything up? andddd this is why I don't like leveling.

with everything being broken to hell, nothing matters. that's why you think everything can be answered with blowing things up - not the way a tower defense should be (where you mix things up to adapt to the current situation and not answering everything with one single solution)

there might be some fun gained from this but it fits a generic clicker game more than a tower defense game, and I never really enjoy clicker game. Yeah, you forgot we can blow things up vanilla style as well. No need to level up anything. See this is your problem, you have a one track mind (when I never brought up leveling once).

Tell that to the people who wanted to simplify the game even more to the point where there's no challenge. When there was a solid challenge, people bitched and the system was simplified and now it has been watered down even further. blowing things up has a downside of long cooldown - you have to rely on other plants to do the work while things recharge, and back when dynamic was still here there are enough zombies to prevent people from going only kabloomy and winning. that's what meatshields are for - buying time.

but now? dynamic's not there - so there aren't as many threats. moreover leveling does answer the cooldown problem. and the third factor is that - there are more bombing plants. then those bombing plants boost other bombing plants (ahem Bombard-mint). that's why saying things like answering everything with bombing becomes mindless to me - no downside whatsoever, and now strong enough to stand on its own. it may be your style to play, but it'll never be mine. I am not saying this should be your pay style, I am saying that you shouldn't bash the leveling system when people complaining was the reason they removed the actual chelleneging and dynamic difficulty system; those stars.

But still, if you really want to play with strategy, you'll know even without using meatshields and keeping in mind their seed packet cooldown, you can still blow everything up everytime to ease your situation. Not to mention, you still have your offensive plants doing your work in the meantime. well, fair. I concede. it's just that normally saying "blowing things up" to everything just never feels right for me. This is what I believe; if you try so hard to stay with something (stars in this case for me) and it still gets taken away from you and there's no way to get that back, you might as well give up and adapt to their crap. Being a purist in current PvZ 2 is impossible (which fits since you allowed leveling your mod even though you could have removed that altogether and yes I know it's optional and stuff but hopefully you get my point).

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Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. There are only about 5 levels with that distinction Funny thing is, there are no levels with that distinction regarding Blowjob Launcher, at least Sun Bean can brag about having 5 levels.

More and more, it is becoming apparent this BWB plant is shit. In fact, now that I think about it, almost all of the plants obtained for free in BWB are shit if you use vanilla plants. Other worlds still have plants that work well as vanilla to an extent, but this world seems to especially focus on giving players some trashy plants. Hard agree except for Guacodile. Little guy is still pretty decent in the right scenario, but it's been known for a while that BWB plants have been noticeably worse than other world's plants.

Lily8763cp wrote:

TheGollddMAN wrote: IDontCareAboutHistory wrote: TheGollddMAN wrote:

Tile Denial wrote: Ballistic Planet wrote:

Tile Denial wrote:

Ballistic Planet wrote: so I came back to PVZ2 with 7.2 (since I keep up with the prerelease leaks and I really like Zoybean Pod) and I've been having a blast! I got both Zoybean and Dazey Chain, and while Dazey Chain is really bad, Zoybean is super fun and actually kind of decent. Hoping to see where we go with other plants! If Pop Cap would hurry up and show us the appearances of Burnade and Mini Pea ah yes because Mini Peashooter is totally gonna break PVZ2. Mini Peashooter shouldn't even exist No, it should. If a shitty plant like Sun Bean (seriously, fuck that plant) can exist in PvZ 2, Mini Peashooter has the right to be. ftfy Sun Bean can help with levels where you want sun at that moment but your sun producers are recharging (both interms of on the lawn and seed packet). It's even better once boosted and once levelled up. To add to this point, in most (normal) levels where Sun Producers aren't allowed, Sun Bean is.

I don't use it all the time in those situations but it can be useful, especially when boosted in those levels. Where and what the hell is Guacodile even useful for? Sure it's better than Blowing Bulb but it's a crappy plant as well. spammable small jalapeno that can take out decent small threats (imp from garg, jester, wizard, excavator, etc) quickly. meatshield block for fisherman.

mastery makes everything broken anyway, so who cares about its use amirite Won't really work if there's several fisherman in each lane you can deal with the one early game, and even after that it's still free damage on the fisherman - good damage I'd say. the power of spammability is not to be overlooked. Yeah, but you have a problem when someone else spams bombs which is also good damage with added range. I don't get it, you bash someone for something, but then follow that up by agreeing to that very same thing but just in a different wording in a very hypocritical manner.

I have seen you do that with your mod and back here again. It's less about my call and more about your thoughts having two different tangents on the same thing. So in your view, spamming one plant is okay because it's "fun" (somehow) but not when you spam bombs. Again, if you want make a statement about something, you normally stick to that thing instead of bouncing everywhere. I understand your mentality that you hate bombing everything but my point stands in a way as the inconsistency in your statement is obvious, just my two cents. What even are you on? Just because you use a different name doesn't make it inherently different. Plants are being upgraded and that's that. My point was ON THAT NOTION that you bounce around with hypocrisy just as you don't like "leveling" but allowed "tiers", just like how you don't like to spam bombs but you like to spam meatshields because they are apparently "fun" and they deal "less damage". It was a comparison. Yes, you come up with reasons to argue with but they are laughable reasons.

Your logic is weird honestly. So just because it doesn't deal much damage means it is okay to spam it even though you are wasting a seed slot and valuable sun. So in that case, why not spam any other weak damage dealing plant other than Guacodile? There, you have even more fun then. And to answer your statement regarding counters, how many times have you selected a counter in a seed chooser in an Endless Zone only get buttfucked by the sheer number of the zombies there are? I'd like to see you have "fun" spamming these supposedly "meatshields" when they dont do anything in the long run other than waste resources. "plants are being upgraded".... yeah you skipped the "trade" part. "trade" is not a direct upgrade.

(you don't like to spam bombs but you like to spam meatshields because they are apparently "fun" and they deal "less damage) yes. so? that's a good enough reason. it deals less damage being the exact reason, because I can't abuse it. I can't bring it as an exact answer to everything, whereas if you can spam bombs which kill everything very quickly, you'll bring it to every single level.

"why not spam any other weak damage dealing plant other than Guacodile?" I do. but we're talking about guaco for now.

"And to answer your statement regarding counters, how many times have you selected a counter in a seed chooser in an Endless Zone only get buttfucked by the sheer number of the zombies there are? I'd like to see you have "fun" spamming these supposedly "meatshields" when they dont do anything in the long run other than waste resources" so we should just judge every plant base on the Endless Zones only? there are normal levels and modded levels as well, and I judge plants based on that too.

I give up. make it of what you will. Yeah, I read and understood that part. But even if there are tradeoffs, the concept of upgrading a plant with resources is still there. Point still stands.

Good enough reason, it is not. You're abusing the spammability; no matter how much you think it's okay since it deals less damage, it is not. Denying the truth won't help you.

No, we should judge a plant based off everywhere and theer are plants that outclass others. But as far as your Guacodile goes, it is only useful in some normal levels in some worlds. Endless Zones truly test what a plant can do and how it helps a player strategise. There Guacodile falls flat. It's essentially like a plant that is just there. Bottomline, every single plant from BWB suucks. I won't go into modded levels because that is a moot point. Only official levels should be discussed here. Tangle Kelp is the most useful plant in the game tho I agree, I tested it in Ancient Egypt and it can drag zombies through the sand after Mastery 100. Can confirm, best plant in the game. 10/10 Pretty sure he's joking lol So was I.