Board Thread:Weekly discussions/@comment-27053902-20170408144140/@comment-25230228-20170409031323

VeXJL wrote: GamerNerd i wrote:

VeXJL wrote:

Birdpool wrote: VeXJL wrote: Birdpool wrote: GamerNerd i wrote:

Birdpool wrote:

GamerNerd i wrote:

VeXJL wrote:

GamerNerd i wrote:

Birdpool wrote:

GamerNerd i wrote: Actually, I should go back and play these bosses with my leveled-up plants. At level 4 my Laser Bean is arguably more useful than my level 4 PP.

Isn't that something? I never used LB since Fume-shroom did the job just as well, and now it's replaced PP! Primal Potato? Primal Potato Mine is PPM Yes, like the user. Then why didn't you put M at the end?

Off the off-topic, I think that Mission 27 for plants was harder than the Mission 15. idk why but I was stuck because of stupid Retired Brainstorm. It was Primal Peashooter though, I was trying to clarify that for me Primal Potato is PPM and Primal Peashooter is PP. How is any level of laser bean better than fuzzy peashooters? For the same cost, it's able to much more effectively handle hordes of non-garg zombies. For gangs and other tanks (armor4s get taken out as long as nuts are present) other plants need to support but it's still pretty fast. uhh...no.

100 =/= 125

7.5 =/= 5.5

knockback =/= AoE

stun =/= AoE

Primal Pea can do anything LAser Bean can do, better. Not against hordes of zombies.

♫Anything you could do, I could do better. ♪ Against any Horde.

Primal Pea + Torchwood = 22.5 damage per hit, plus stun and a 25% knockback chance. It's cheaper and recharges faster, so you can spam it, the only things Laser Bean does better is against zombies it can OHKO, like Chickens and Weasels. Other than that Primal Pea is superior as an option. Technically Torch is support (premium, even -_-), which isn't helpful to my argument, but 50 Sun isn't much to spend to triple the damage, and OHKO nearly everything. That's 5 hits on an Armour4, while your simple Laser needs 23 hits. Primal Pea attacks faster so it's defnitely better in that respect either way. Combine this with the fact that your laser can only kill an armour4 if there's a defensive plant literally any other support and you're crushing that pitiful laser. If we're considering levels, then maybe. On level 1, Laser Bean > Primal Peashooter IMO lvl1 Peashooter > lvl1 Laser Bean, because LB's sun cost makes him inconvenient (25 sun is more than you'd think in terms of tempo). But once Laser hits lvl 4, the sun costs equalize and I feel that Laser's AoE trumps PP's stalling power/dmg at the same level.

But that's all beside the point. I appreciate some lively discussion Bird and Vex, but I believe that we're derailing this thread a bit. Against bosses, both of them suck balls. Everything sucks against bosses. That's the point.