Board Thread:Wiki management/@comment-5204503-20160428123444/@comment-25648422-20160501012007

Elemec wrote: Pinkgirl234 wrote:

Protanly wrote:

Pinkgirl234 wrote: @Protanly If a chat moderator is breaking the rules, we can always decide if that mod should be demoted or not. Addressing point 1:

What good is a user deserving of chat mod that spends countless hours in chat, yet leaving us having to wait for days or months on end because they aren't spending time outside of chat? That is literally the most counterproductive thing on the planet. Moderating chat has literally nothing else to do with mainspace.

Hey Billy. You are a good enough athlete to deserve a spot on our NHL hockey team! You want in? Oh wait. You didn't spend 1000 hours reading about the history of hockey? Well shame on you Billy. No spot for you.

Addressing point 2:

Telling me that we can demote a chat moderator breaking rules still doesn't address my point. Sure we can always demote a chat mod that goes ahead and breaks rules. But the time between an administrator getting on that, and the time they can wreak havoc in chat can be enough to justify my point. Even if it only took half an hour, having a chat mod that broke rules such as to not bully users, that is half an hour that we literally cannot do anything.

The simple fact of the matter is that when everyone is chat mod, no one is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ I made 270+ mainspace edits before becoming a chat moderator and 500+ more mainspace edits before I transformed into a discussion moderator. Do you want to know what happens if the mainspace requirement is stripped off? Then all the good hard work I did in mainspace will be a complete huge waste! Heck I happened to create a few good articles and then what? They'll render as nothing and useless if the mainspace requirement was removed or reduced? I won't be the only one affected here. Surely all the other chat moderators, both former and current will be affected! All of the good edits they did in mainspace will turn into as if what they did was nothing. All of their efforts will just go the drain. And by efforts, I meant the edits that keeps the articles organized and not any of the constant frivolous or badge-farming edits they made. So all in all, it would be a huge risk to rid the mainspace requirement and it wouldn't be fair for all the former and current chat moderators who had to make mainspace edits in order to attain the position they desired. If the chat moderators managed to make 250 mainspace edits and above, then others can do it as well, if they learn to manage doing it with ease. Another thing is some people prefer doing the "easy" way because they think too much work is too much trouble. 250 mainspace edits are really so easy to attain. You just gotta learn how to handle editing in mainspace. Besides, I dealt with making more than 250 mainspace edits and I feel just fine, especially since I happen to enjoy editing in mainspace.

As for your second point, there's always what we call reporting, chat logging for evidence and an admin stamping a warning on the abusive chat moderator's talk page once the mod was caught red-handed. The games are ending, the pages are very professional already, the only edits we can really do are strategies and such, but those, normally get reverted/deleted according to grammar, as it's too difficult to change grammar ain't it.

If you want it to stay 250 ms edits, good luck with people spamming edits, when they deserve chat mod every other way, but need to spam edits in order  to even think of being that.

If you think of a more reasonable thing for someone that doesn't do that, then, i'm with you.

Example :

Wow jimmy, you are a really smart guy, you get 10 on all grades, but it appears you got a 5 on P.E. Shame on you, you aren't passing this year. Spam edits? Whoever would keep doing spam edits would probably get blocked or warned before they know it. We have multiple administrators who check on users who are making helpful mainspace edits and those who are making unhelpful edits.