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Vergel Nikolai wrote: The Ancient Pult Ancestor wrote: Vergel Nikolai wrote: The Ancient Pult Ancestor wrote: Vergel Nikolai wrote: The Ancient Pult Ancestor wrote:

Vergel Nikolai wrote: //Which character would you like for me to have his stats next? Bucky

Mineski: What? It's your fault Im here. Your the one who wrote this! Er, CitroCop, what if an OCP police officer is in fact a traitor or someone siding with an enemy or doing illegal poop. Can you attack them? Or what if someone from a different Police/Defense Agency considered an enemy (a zombie) but is just trying to keep the law? I'm not specifying a vigilante. //I think you already gave Wizlock's...You'll probably have him voiced by Sebastian Stan (actor of The Winter Soldier). //Well, only Ace and Joustalot's. Not yet Wizlock's. And yeah good point.

Name: James Bucky Bones

Titles: The Winter Soldier

Age: 47

Born: October 1, 1894 in South Carolina, USA

Zombified: September 4, 1941 after getting bitten by Soviet Zombies and being delivered to Zomboss.

Died: Unknown

Height: 6'5"

Weight: 148 kg

Features: More like the Article Trooper on the side, but... Has a Vibranium Right Arm with a red star tatoo, a dual SP-3 sub-machine gun, vibranium legs (one in cased in ice), and a slightly long hair.

Transport: Skywing Tri-motorbike Marc 3, Falcon Wings.

Powers/Technology: His cybernetic vibranium arm is heavily durable. It's fully resistant to flames, and can take down a giga-gargantuar by 3 punches. But he has a secret talent hidden on his heart. A power Zombies wishes to seek when he fully controls Bucky. The Cryogenium Isotope. This gives Bucky the ability of cryokinesis, and ice manipulation. He can harden his vibranium arm with the isotope to make it even durable and stronger. Can also harden his leg with this to be more agile (in the case, he can break the ice block on his feet, but will come back after). But will only do this if he has a proper mind control (either with all his past memories back, which gives him the ability to think freely, or getting controlled by a device that can control him permanently, like what Zomboss and the Twins planned).

Boosted by: Rage, Mineski's Hyperstatic Sprites, the Cryogenium Isotope

Weakness: He was once ordered by Zomboss to destroy the T-850 ZSM 101, but fails to attack as his arm was melted by hellfire. His arm is not that resistant to ethereal flames. But with the Cryo-V arm, he can resist hellfire a bit.

Being fleshy in the rest of his body, he can be shot with bullets and rockets, but quick note. He is a super soldier, bullets and rockets aren't enough for him.

Usually, if Zomboss (or someone who knew) say his passcode (the one chattered by the Russian guy in the Civil War movie) will make Bucky helpless, and having that person to gain control to him temporarily. The only way to cure this is to have his medula oblogata hacked by Mineski's Hyperstatic Sprites, or someone scientific enough to rebbot him back to his normal state. This option in Bucky's program is unremovable and will still work even if he is free. But have him free enough and he'll forget the passcode.

Personality: A very cold and skilled soldier, but has a bright and loving heart on the other side. He is very protective and will do anything to commit his freedom. But while controlled, none of this shows up.

Occupation: Super Soldier, Assassin

Affiliation: Zomvoss Soviet Military (pre Winter Soldier), Zombicide Squad (post Winter Soldier), Independent.

Voice: Sebastian Stan (the actor of the Winter Soldier in Captain America: Winter Soldier and Civil War).

Mineski: Good, Bucky's stats are done. Can I have mine now?

Randolf: Patience Mineski. Wait for someone to ask yours. But I think he would or would not input mine.

Mineski: Why would he put your? You are just some Ex-Nazi sniper guy voiced by some random German... sniper!

Bucky: ... You do realize that a retconned that part, especially since there was a lot of things that just didn't exactly tie:

1.) Zomboss created terminators. He of all people knows that only another terminator can really go after a terminator. Plus, he already has a T-850 ZSM-665 go after the T-850 ZSM-101 unit.

//Well, technically, kaijus can also defeat terminators, but it's only because they are big-a** monsters...I mean, you don't see Arnold Schwarzenegger or Chuck Norris (I know, not a terminator, but we all know how people see Chuck Norris) being able to defeat Godzilla, do you? That dinosaur fed on 15 megaton nukes, got pounded by an asteroid (he stood still after that as if nothing even happened), & didn't even get f**ked by black holes. Kaijus are certainly more OP than androids.

2.) There is practically no way Bucky can identify terminators unless he can smell like a dog. Plus, remember, terminators are mass-produced. The Terminator is just one of the millions of T-850 ZSM-101s produced. The only difference is that this particular unit was functioning for 150 million years & has an angel within him. But to say he's the only one reprogrammed is a blurry one.

Bucky, you did realize that none of your weaponry or your physical strength can do nothing against these androids? The whole stupid mission is an insult made to make you look like an idiot, a laughingstock. The only reason Zomboss sent you against one is because he either wants to see how long you can survive against one, how fast you can escape one, or worse...well, let's just say Zomboss used to send out (& probably still sends out) people he didn't like to terminators, knowing full well the end result. Anyone who dared face a terminator either died or escaped if they were wise enough to run. The chances of winning is 0%. You can never hope to overpower or even damage one.

There are good reasons why Zomboss would send him against one: terminators are time-travelling supersoldiers, infiltrators, & assassins (I did not make that up, that's really the purpose of the creation of the real terminators so they can wipe out humanity). They could be seen as his artificial replacements...

Then again, maybe not. The advantage everyone else has over the cyborgs? They have emotions. They're not robotic. They can make their own decisions. Then again, those can also be a disadvantage. Terminators are obedient since they only follow programming (unless reprogrammed or rebooted...& you did say Bucky has a passcode for direct control). If you are capable of independent thought, you can one day reach a level of understanding that can make you decide to turn against your master & believe & follow what you want to. Now there is the threat terminators don't pose (unless reprogrammed). Zomboss may or may not fear that Bucky will eventually do so, & decided to send him to death.

Another question: will he & the gang even feature in another RP again? There is an RP that is taking place 13-44 years after WS, could probably fit in a secondary plot that will run while monsters attack Suburbia...

And anything you could say about the mysterious Fire Peashooter who kept trying to save you? Bucky: Oh, that. Well, maybe I was in control mode again. Dang it Zomboss. Well, it was one time when we with my zombie underlings were salvaging weapons on the docks. I was seeking for someone whos Zomboss is ordered to kill.

Then that... thing appeared and gives my underlings a beating. My program was overridden and was force to attack the thing. The only thing I remembered was that I was kicked on a window with my vibranium arm broken.

I asked questions to Zombnik and he said that the thing is some sort of terminator robot. Zomboss however, gave me additional info about the machine by certain tweaks on my head. So that every time the thing is on, I can easily avoid him.

I only attacked him back then because my program stated that "engege to anyone who threatens the mission". And Zomboss, after the tweak, made the Terminator as an exception. Still a bunch of problems:

1.) Well, devices won't detect terminators. The only way to detect a terminator is either being a terminator yourself (they can, of course, detect one another), or you have dogs trained to react in a certain way whenever they smell a certain smell, namely a terminator's scent, since they smell different from any biological being. Someone with natural infrared vision can also distinguish man from machine, which explains how Predators don't make the stupid mistake to engage terminators once they see one. Even then, such things have limitations. You don't always (or never) have a terminator to detect their fellow machines within miles. Predators can only know a terminator is there if they see one (Infrared won't do s**t if the one you're looking for is not in front of you anyway...while infrared can see penetrate surfaces, if the thing is not within or hiding behind/under cover in your visual range, it won't work, since they cannot see stuff behind them). Smelling a terminator needs a dog trained to react to the specific thing. You can't just pick a dog from the street & expect it to cover you: a dog barking wouldn't necessarily mean that it smells a terminator, & the person the dog is barking won't always be a terminator. Shooting at a terminator...terminators occasionally play dead the first time they are shot by someone who's never met them, but only occassionally. Of course, shoot them a 2nd time, they won't do it again. Most of the time, though, they just charge ahead without giving a f**k for bullets. They do ooze juice/blood, but only very small amounts, since only their tissue sheath has juice/blood vessels, which means they won't look that messy.

Anyway, in short, whatever device that is, it wouldn't detect terminators just because they are in range. Even if Bucky is gifted with the nose of a dog (he will need training though) or infrared vision, it won't matter unless the terminator is within at least 10 feet of him

2.) As I said, T-850 ZSM-101...there are millions of them, mate. No one calls The Terminator as "The Terminator" in-universe. See it as something in the script. For example, in the code, Penny is known as Winnie, but no one calls her Winnie. Though "goldtileturnip" in code, it is called as Gold Leaf. Despite being called "Clover" on set & out of the movie, within the movie, no one ever called the Cloverfield Monster by that name. As much as I know, in-universe, no one ever called Dr. Who by that name, but only as "The Doctor". Same as for The (real) Terminator. In the credits & out of the movie, they call it "The Terminator". But in-universe, no one ever called him "The Terminator". They did call him "the terminator" or "the machine" or several other aliases & names. But never once was Arnie's character ever called "The Terminator" in film.

Since there is nothing to differentiate The Terminator from the other millions of T-850s covered in ZSM-101 skin except for the fact that he was active for 150 million years (undetectable since his skin doesn't even display signs of aging) & that he has The Spirit Of Vengeance inside him (which is undetectable, & therefore won't mark him out until he shows it), he is just really "a terminator", nothing special, all his abilities the same as the units identical to him. He is just as dangerous as all the others. A (& not The) T-850 ZSM-101 to be exact. There are millions of his T-850s, mass-produced in factories, some covered in Model 101 skin, some Model 102 (based on the appearance of a different Pepper-pult...model is based on the appearance of an individual & not a plant type, & the Model 101 is based on the very bulky hulky appearance of Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer, Carrie's dad), some in Model 665. So even if Bucky knows that a terminator attacked/is attacking him, he shouldn't even know if the unit attacking him in T:WS is the same one who tried to kill him way back then. The fact that Dave only has one reprogrammed T-850 ZSM-101 is not exactly confirmed. He may or may not have more than one reprogrammed T-850 ZSM-101.

The Terminator, though never called "The Terminator" is called many things. While serving under Alexander The Great, he was known as "Conan The Barbarian/Conan The Destroyer". While on duty as an Expendable, he assumes the name "Trench Mauser", which is the same alias that Alan Dutch Schaefer (the guy he's modeled after) uses. In Suburbia, people know him as Arnold Schaefer, the identical twin of the late Alan Dutch Schaefer & uncle of Carrie (when you resemble someone 100%, pretending to be his twin is the only cover you could go with...he could've been Dutch himself, but everyone knows Dutch is dead, so pretending to be him...nope, he can't say "I'm Dutch, & I came back from the dead"). He is also known by other names like Arnold Schwarzenpepper, John Matrix, Harry Tasker...yeah, if the alias of a person is the name of a role played by Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's most probably The Terminator.

As for the first meeting story...I prefer that Bucky only met The Terminator for the first time in T:WS, in the airport incident. And it won't even matter if  the same unit who attacked him now is the one who attacked him back then, because of the reasons above (therefore, another reprogrammed terminator which may not necessarily be one with a T-850 endoskeleton or Model 101 template could have attacked him). However, we could also have this...& if we can't have this, then the first meeting has to be the airport incident of T:WS.

Zomboss sent Bucky to Suburbia to attack it or at least infiltrate it. However, they were detected & ambushed by a terminator (as I said, doesn't necessarily have to be The Terminator)...Well, we could also have it that the terminator unit actually blocked them & proceeded to kill them, since ambushing & going ninja isn't exactly a terminator's style when the objective is to kill everybody without necessarily having to keep its cybernetic nature a secret (they'll usually only do ambushes if they have to kill in a situation where they have to pretend to be plants/zombies, &, as seen in T:WS...he was originally supposed to sneak up behind or get in front of Bucky, shoot him in the head, & get it over with...but then, the conscripts were asking for death, & that situation ripped the stealthiness away).

Here's the thing I thought of in detail.

I did ask if the Zombicide Squad will only appear in just that RP or another. 1. Well, this is the Asking Thread. So Bucky can call him The Terminator, because the one you talk above was the post-T:WS Bucky. And he kinda forgot what happened in the past.

2. Like you said in the other thread, it could be another machine. But since he's a zombie, he can identify The Terminator" by physical appearance. So it for him, it could be or not could be the same one who attacked him.

3. The word terminator was just heard as he was listening to Zombnik and Zomboss in a conversation. Mentioning the name several times. So, every time he sees something that acts like the machine he encountered last time he can classify it as a terminator (even if he isn't sure). And the device alteration only disallows Bucky to engage on any means necessary. So yeah, the Bucky above forgot some of the event.

Randolf: Er, actually. We are planning a sequel. But only after Leo here finishes the Zombiana Bones RP. Expect to see me as a cameo there.

Mineski: Yeah, a sequel. This time we focus on an Omnic Crisis in the Far Future.

Bucky: Didn't I tell yo that no spoilers.

Mineski: Just blame Leo. He's the one who's typing th-- *gets kicked by both Randolf and Arthur* C**a b***t!

Arthur and Randolf: You schizophrenic maniac! 1.) Still, man, no character ever called him by that name. As directors, we can call him that to clarify who exactly are we talking about, but for the characters, the title is not known, since no one in-universe ever called him (& will ever call him) that. For Carrie, he's her "Pops", for the Expendables, he's called by Dutch's code name: Trench Mauser. The few who encountered him & found out what he is exactly just either called him cyborg, robot, android, terminator, or whatever fake name he used when they first met (that is, if he ever pretended to be a normal person & used an alias in their presence before they found out he's a robot).

As for The Obliterator, the Necro-Expendables refuse to call him Kassandros (sometimes they accidentaly call him that though), since he doesn't have Kassandros's charisma or humor given the fact that he's just a robot. For them, he's "The Greek Automaton" or "The Macedonian Bast**d" (need I say again that Macedonians (the guys in Macedon, Greece, not the guys in Former Yugoslavic Republic Of Macedonia) are Greeks?). Some people, just like Anklebone, erroneously call him a Roman (seriously, though, the armor of a "Centurion" is really more like Greek armor...yes, the Romans wore cuirasses, but it's more of a Greek armor, while Romans are more known for their 1st century AD segmented armor). But never should or will he be called "The Obliterator" by anybody...

Usually, people who meet terminators call them by whatever alias they use in their presence while pretending to be normal, whether they find out their true nature as robots or not (as in the case of The Terminator, known in Suburbia by his alias as Major Arnold Schaefer, a "normal" plant like everybody else), or call them by the first place they met them or by the target or by the appearance (hence, for example, if a terminator with Bucky's appearance shows up, then let them call it "The Bucky Terminator"). Maybe Bucky could call him "The Canal Terminator" because he saw him - or rather, it - at the canal. Since he doesn't know if the one in the airport was the same one he met in the canals of Suburbia (& considering that Zombnik showed him that terminators can share the same model & therefore be identical), he then calls the guy "The Airport Terminator" & call him either that or just by common nouns (e.g. "the terminator", no caps)

To cap it all off, it's best if everyone calls them by different names except for their names on-script (The Terminator & The Obliterator). I mean, even after T:WS, Bucky would still not be able to know much about The Terminator, since it is not his priority to answer to him if he ever asks for a name, & he would leave immediately without dropping any more details. Even if he does drop a name, it certainly would not be "The Terminator" since that's a title that no one in-universe ever calls him (it's a name exclusive to us directors only).

2.) Well, Zombnik did show him the exact Model 101 without actually knowing that a terminator of that model attacked him. In Terminator 2, Sarah just saw the shotgun, saw Arnold's face, & knew that she was facing a terminator just because she saw that face before. There's only a tiny chance that it's a real person; it has to be a terminator. Likewise, the chance of Bucky running into Alan "Dutch" Schaefer is slim, so if he ever faces one who looks like the one he run into, it is best to assume that it's a terminator.

3.) Usually, if somebody rushes at you without expressing any emotion of some sort, just coming for you, glaring at you, that could indicate something is not right. If an Expendable or any other killer comes at you, they would probably show facial expressions of some sort, & still be on-guard for attacks. If it's got a stone-cold face, blank & hard, without any concern for anything else but you, as if you're the only thing that matters, it's time to run before the guy pulls out a weapon of some sort...Then again, just because you can't see emotions on someone's face doesn't mean you could pinpoint them as robots.