Board Thread:Plants vs. Zombies Heroes/@comment-26593304-20160328195256/@comment-26278349-20170127215855

Thinker224 wrote: IslarPVZ wrote:

Chili Bean

Class: Guardian

Tribe: Bean Plant

Stats : 2 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp, 0 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 1 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

 Effect:  Team-Up, When destroyed: Each Zombie skips its next attack this turn.

Rarity : Premium - Rare



Melon-Pult

Class: Smarty

Tribe: Fruit Plant

Stats : 5 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp, 4 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 4 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

 Effect: All Fruits have Splash Damage 4.

Rarity : Premium - Super Rare



Tall-Nut

Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Nut Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats : 3 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp, 0 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 10 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Zombie Tricks cost 2  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/4/44/BrainPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005617 more.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stunion

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Union Trick

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats : 2 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Zombies here and next door skip their next attack this turn.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Uncommon

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">A.K.E.E.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Kabloom

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Fruit Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats : 5 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp,  3 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 3 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect:  When this hurts a Zombie, damage another random Zombie or Zombie Hero for 1 less damage. (Keeps attacking until the damage becomes 0)

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Super Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Infi-Nut

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Nut Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  3 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp,  0 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 6 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Team-Up, End of turn: This heals to full.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Sun Bean

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Smarty

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Bean Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  2 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp,  2 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 2 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Beans cost 1  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp less.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Uncommon

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Primal Peashooter

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Pea Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  4  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp,  3  http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 3  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: When this hurts a Zombie, that Zombie skips its next attack. Only takes 1 damage when it's hurt

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Primal Wal-Nut

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Nut Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  3  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp,  0  http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 5  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Team-Up, Only takes 1 damage when it's hurt.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Primal Sunflower

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Solar

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Flower Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  4  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp ,  0  http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 2  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Team-Up, Start of turn: you get +2  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp this turn. Only takes 1 damage when it's hurt.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Primal Potato Mine

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Class: Guardian

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Tribe: Root Plant

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Stats :  2  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0e/SunPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20161102005320&format=webp ,  0  http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/b/bf/StrengthPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160423025328&format=webp, 2  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/2/2c/HeartPvZH.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20160419052604&format=webp

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Effect: Team-Up,  Only takes 1 damage when it's hurt. When destroyed: Do 2 damage to Zombies here and next door

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Rarity : Premium -  Rare Chili Bean I think is potentially too abusable. Planting it in the 1st lane, unless the Zombie Hero bounces it, the things essentially force skips their entire attack turn as if all Zombies were frozen.

Melon-Pult should really be upped to 6 sun, yes Winter Melon cost just 1 more, but its splash 4 effect is what makes its cost worth it, the freeze is just a bonus. Also the fact that Winter Melon is a Legendary, while you're putting Melon-Pult as Super-Rare. Also, mind that Snapdragon costs 4 sun, only has 3/1 stats and only has splash 3. Melon-Pult is a major jump in power from that.

Tall-Nut with just high HP alone is probably already worth its 3 sun cost as an iron wall. The increased to trick costs is too much for its cost. Maybe it you bumped its to like a 5 or 6, maybe even 7 sun plant, than it would be worth that effect. Increasing trick cost is quite a powerful effect.

Stunion, I think should have its costs raised to 3, its effects is basically 3 freezes in one. If you can't counter it with a bonus attack, then it is better than freeze.

AKEE, I think it should be limited to 2 additional attacks. Letting it keep go till it hits 0 can potentially cause it to get a bit out of hand.

Infi-nut need a major nerf. You've basically made a wall that can only be destroyed by zombies with 6 or more strength. And for that to only costs 3 sun, you can get that out pretty early and basically have a perfectly defended lane. This either needs its effect nefed, cost raised, or HP lowered. Preferably nerf its effect or lower its HP.

Sun Shroom, I just think my idea or it giving you a 1 turn sun boost when destroyed just fits its theming better.

In general, I don't like the all the primals practially getting perfect defense. It makes them unbelievably tanky. I'd much prefer you just give them all Armored 1 and call it a day. Pretty much being forced to hit a nut 5 times no matter how strong your zombie is is just tedious and very OP if you don't have access to insta-kill tricks, especially for a meager 3 sun cost. Thanks for the feedback.

Chili Bean's effect might be too easy to pull off. I was thinking about removing its Team-Up ability but also increasing its sun cost might be a good idea. I do want to keep its effects though.

Yeah, it should be more balanced. 7, like winter-melon would be fine.

Defensive End, an upcoming Zombie with the same gimmick cost 6, has 6 strength, 5 health and armored. Because Tall-nut has 0 attack I thought that could be balanced out, because Rolling Stone and Weed Spray. Althought, it would be unfair if Plants could play this gimmick way earlier. So increase to 5/6 sun too?

Agreed

Or it could reduce the damage by 2. If you limit it, it would not be worth it to boost it and that is why I put it in Kabloom. Also blocking, armored Zombies and shielded Zombies  "slow down" the effect.

Agreed, I'll lower its HP

I think you mean sun bean and yeah maybe its better. I just didn't want too much sun-producing plants and tricks.

I do want a gimmick for the Primal Plants. Armored should only be for Guardian Plants. Maybe the effects only work with full health, I might change it to that.